Theres no edits because with the drama bullshit people can go back and claim they haven't said something or del entire posts they don't want seen in the future.
Last edited by Envictus on Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:58 am; edited 1 time in total
Joined: Mar 04, 2006 Posts: 1036 Location: New York
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject:
Well lets look at the ENTIRE post I edited.
Envictus wrote:
Good, because the reckoning that exists now... is not anything I honestly want to be associated with.
I'm the admin of the site (as well as root on the server, which is why I was here to move all these sites to a new server.).... I misspelled "Reckoning" and thought that would be something to defiantly correct. I've NEVER went back on anything I've said in these forums.... and the fact that it shows you when I edit proves that.
...but way to focus on the content of what I've said as opposed to try and pigeon hole me with bullshit.
No its not fair that I can edit. I just don't want peopel to delete things they have said and this is the only way to do it (same exact way eq2flames is set up)/ _________________ KMFDM - Anarchy.mp3
Not trying to pigeon hole anything, just point out what would make me go ~_^. Thats why I simply quoted what you said and left it at that, no words, no bashing, no shit talking. I either do my shit talking in game or on flames, a board meant for it, not on a guilds public forum, so sorry if you took it that way, it wasn't meant for anything but an "uhhh vik, this looks funny".
You don't know me, I don't know you. Don't start on the defensive man. Leave drama where it belongs. Dead.
Joined: Mar 04, 2006 Posts: 1036 Location: New York
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject:
It shouldn't look funny, but I guess your new to the guild and don't know its my server.... I can edit anything (right down to the operating system level); anyone else can edit in the private forums. I only turned edits off in the public forums due to the original thread pertaining to these people.
I love how people blow off things as simply "drama/flaming" and worth ignoring when they don't want to focus on the content of what is being said.
I'm defensive because you have to be dealing with a pit of snakes. Sorry If you're getting hit with some resentment you don't deserve. As for wishing drama was dead... Good luck with that on vox.
"Drama" made public is dealt with or ignored, but at least its clear what happened and where people stand. "Drama" that is hidden grows, changes and becomes more destructive. Its never "dead" it must be dealt with sooner or later. No avoiding it. Unless you want someone to create a beautiful lie for you so you can follow like a sheep, but even those people have to face reality eventually. _________________ KMFDM - Anarchy.mp3
Well Vik, when it starts as something about shook and fio and quickly moves into being condescending to the current leadership and nothing about shook and fio (and, btw I've read the thread, I came from crimson, I know all about it), its nothing pertaining to the actual thread and is simply drama and flaming. The thread should have been gone a long time ago, and since you don't believe in locking it, at least move it a private section. A disgruntled former member/tank/officer whatever of a guild bashing its leaders on the *public* section.....From where you sit you have your opinion. From my standpoint KC, dysco and ed are the best things to happen to this guild in a very long time. The reckoning I knew back in t7 has the same morals and values today, and I don't see that going anywhere. Regardless of what you think of them on a *personal* level, they are fantastic leaders.
I know your answer, but for the sake of simple IMAGE - remove this thread from the public forums.
Wasn't it you that said you didn't want to air personal matters? Whats different about this thread? Is it because you are trying to prove a point? Show you are right?
Joined: Mar 04, 2006 Posts: 1036 Location: New York
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject:
I already explained why I posted, maybe you should read what I say a little closer; I don't want people to believe I am pleased with the way I left as as you people continue to use my website/DKP/prior-members/ and the guild bank I helped built over the 2 years I spent here.
Like you said, You don't know me nor have you ever played with me.
Keeping knowledge of dissent or plots from your leader is not moral and its something kcirtap did. If you believe its moral... that is fine with me, but I'd appreciate if this group of people takes there morals off my web sever as soon as possible. I gave you a month of silence bu this bullshit about how I should be silencing people set me off.
Proving I'm right? I'm expression opinions. Sometimes there is no right or wrong and of course every person thinks their idea of right is the best one.
Again... My protection of the guild only extends as far as things i actually believe in. I did not start a conversation in the members forum because quite frankly. I'm NOT a member. The stuff I'm saying has no information I consider "personal" .
Awful wrote:
best things to happen to this guild in a very long time.
You've been in the guild a month. Brilliant statment. _________________ KMFDM - Anarchy.mp3
No one from guild bother responding to this post anymore, it's not worth it. Vik has a habbit of not letting things move on and there's a lot more that could be said but isn't worth it.
This thread should be considered closed to the guild.
Joined: Mar 04, 2006 Posts: 1036 Location: New York
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject:
Ego much?
Not letting you move on would have been disbanding the guild and shutting down the site. Or taking the many people who wanted to go to conan.
I agree with him though... You guys should not reply for your own good. I didn't say any of this for an argument (In fact I still think this guild is your best shot here). I'm saying it to make it known... having to defend it is a side effect. I don't think pushing me or fighting with me will change anything. Indeed there is a lot more that could be said... but overall it won't make any of you very happy.
And my name is Craig not Vik.
I have the habit of saying what I believe no matter what. I also have the habit of eating pie with my hands and getting wasted too much : (
OH I even forgot you guys also have proh now too.. off the top of my head I remember.... exploiting in vanguard.... screwing a couple of guilds here.... and directly lying to a karma group to jack a mob.... (my first encounter with this upstanding player).
I just don't want to be associated with it or imply I condone it by remaining silent.
Asumming no one does have antying more to say...
To anyone who does remember me fondly
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