Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: So Saturday night .. (how we betrayed reckoning)
I was at a concert with a girl I've been seeing lately.
I am sorry if my toon caused a riot or what not. I don't expect an invite back to guild obviously cuz my character now has probably the worst reputation on vox. Just letting you know I was definitely at a concert and didn't know what happened until around 1:00am when I came home after a nice night of dancing. I was told a few different stories, and both included my character pissing people off.
I might just stay unguilded for awhile, sell,, or join crimson. Not sure yet. Wanted to come here and apologize for Vage's actions. The only reason he did have my account information was because I needed him to have my info for the Oasis server to log me in if certain shit dropped. etc. etc. Was my bad and I'll take the consequences.
I've delt with his shit before, and it's all good. I'm used to it. Take care guys. I'll see ya around.
And for the record, if I am not talking in vent - it's not me. I always have a mic that works~
Joined: Mar 04, 2006 Posts: 1036 Location: New York
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:41 am Post subject:
Had you posted or told anyone you would miss the raid this would be less of a problem, but right now further information is required to be able to determine what we are going to do.
I'm not completely sure of the stipulations when you rejoined, but I have been told that one of them was that he did not have access to your account here. The guy is a small spiteful person with a very big vendetta against me and this guild.
I can only say the issue will be discussed tonight and other swashbuckler options have already been looked at. Its also strange that, myself, and other members were online yesterday and saw you jumping around haven. As far as I know you didn't make any attempt to contact us.
The other question is.... where did he obtain our vent info?
Regardless of what the outcome is, the huge feeling of betrayal cannot really be taken back, but if your story is true I do feel for you. I think that you have been pretty cool to me lately and most of the comments made sat seemed completely illogical and random. _________________ KMFDM - Anarchy.mp3
He had my account info to the raiding toon I have on Oasis. Completely my fault because I somehow spaced the fact that he was so eager to get on my swashy and talk shit.
As for yesterday jumping around haven, I had not logged on until the afternoon - around 10pm my time so that probably wasn't me either.
As for him getting the vent info, it's so easy to send a tell to any member in reckoning asking for the vent info again. Someone probably thought it really was me.
It's fine - whatever the outcome may be. I already had my reputation on the line when I rejoined, and I understand it's hard to give 3rd chances. Like I said in my first post, I will probably just stay unguilded for awhile, or help out Crimson or Mayhem I guess. Selling is another possibility.
Joined: Mar 04, 2006 Posts: 1036 Location: New York
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject:
Sat. I was immediately told by a few people that you had been trying to get poeple to leave (and no im not talkign abotu a tell or somthing that coudl have been somone else on your toon). Today upon further investigation even MORE people admitting to your attempts to get people to leave. Then you have the ability to come here and try to baby face. I'm disappointed that more people from the guild don't have the balls to stand up and say it here, but trust me I'm getting an ear full privately.
In my previous post I had already known, but I just wanted to see your response. Unless a bunch of people got together to make up a story about you, You've been engaged in very shady conversations and proably still are.
Doesn't really matter to me either way. People will do what they want and in the end everyone gets what they deserve. I don't see any reason people would come to me with false accuations, but if they are then you have to write it off as bad luck, but I don't see any way you will be welcome back here. _________________ KMFDM - Anarchy.mp3
I don't mind being the bad guy. But I definitely was at a concert Saturday night. Was also not on my toon all night saturday night. Believe what you want, and it's fine with me, but my toon was not the only one that has been starting "shady conversations". I'll take the blame though, so no one else in reckoning gets in trouble.
Ok first off, Rrawyx was well aware of what was happening Saturday night. He wanted to plan a new guild and YES I did consider going. Im not making this post to start drama but to try and squash some. The REASON Rrawyx wanted to make a new guild is
1) the atmosphere of this guild has become unbearable with the constant yelling.
2) lack of performance from some players
3) lack of knowledge of the game by alot of people.
Im just stating the truth and trying to be as honest as possible.
Vic did nothing Saturday night to deserve the treatment or the stuff that was said to him. Whether it was Rrawyx or truly Vage on his toon is irrelevant.
There are a ton of things that need addressed if this guild is to progress and the constant yelling, bickering, and turning of heads on whats important WILL be this guilds downfall.
Ugh, this server has potential. Too bad people don't have the nerve to get all the best players in a guild. Vox will always have this problem. Literally no point to play on this server unless everyone really is into the family guild type of thing. I thought there was potential at first. But it will always be the same unfortunately.
What could have been ...
Have fun I guess? Should have been in VP a long time ago but it's this problem that will never end, that leads Vox straight into a dead-end. A vicious cycle. But to some.. "family" is more important. I just prefer to play this game to be on top and power game. Always been like that. I'm not sure who all wanted to progress in Reckoning. But there is clearly a simple solution to get it done.
I've been on blue servers, back to Vox, and back to blue servers again. I literally know what it takes to get shit killed. I try to put in my input and give suggestions. For instance when PHH was killed on Vox for the first time - letting Kcirtap know it was do-able and the mob was downed shortly there-after. Some of the weakest (1-2 night a week) raiding guilds were clearing Emerald Halls in T7, and Vox was left in the dust. Same thing is going to happen this tier with mythicals. Avatars will literally never be killed if something doesn't happen.
People got to step up and try something new. Gotta give it a shot and it's not like it is the end of the world. 2 words:
Video
+
Game.
The exiles need to merge together to get anything done. Or it will literally be in t9 when you see mythicals. So what if people that have been getting a raid spot the last 2 years, have to sit? You can't bring those type of people to serious raids in the first place. Yeah you can get by in T1/T2/T3 having sub-par players but it's a huge step up in T4. Unless of course, again, the family guild type of thing is what counts most. As long as you're content I suppose.
Veeshan's Peak is not a joke. You literally have to have a solid 24 people every single night to get ANYWHERE. Wish people would get over themselves and just put a raid of the best 24 rather than senority and family comes first. This isn't real life. It's a game :/ Who cares if your best friend forever isn't in a raid with you. You can always cyber them after wards or whatever the relationship involves.
You don't have to respect my opinion, but I have a lot of knowledge about this game and literally know the ins and outs to almost every class. Believe what you want and what not, but without change, and people stepping up wanting to change. VOX WILL ALWAYS BE VOX.
The server that had potential .....
To those of you who have my respect, good luck. And as for the helmets, keep the good times going. As long as you're having fun!
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:56 am Post subject: /sigh
Lets clear some stuff up... Because some people were too afraid to follow the plan and the entire thing was ruined, ill spill.
I was on Rrawyx, but I did not say anything that wasnt said to me about Vik...
The Plan : Cause a scene and drop with Rrawyx, Shook would agree and follow, Fionali would agree and follow. Reckoning would be wiped in 1 clean swoop and a new guild would form without any Helmets (Huror - Spud - Vik)
Plan did not go so well when Shook said at last min Fionali would not go without KC and Dysc. Shook said to wait till we could talk to everyone to keep Fionali happy, Shook in tells sounded like he still wanted to do it Sat night. "Pull agro and run it back to reset it, say it was the knockback" I said if we wipe to Doomcoil then I would have a legit bitch, Shook and I were sapposed to pull agro before AE to wipe the raid, didn't go so easy.....
When I started My bitch in raid chat i sent a tell to Shook "Say atleast the mob died so I can feed off it" - Shook says in Raid Chat "it died"
To keep it short the plan was : With Shook, Fio, Rrawyx and a few other key members so Reckoning couldnt raid and people would leave and join the new guild.
From what it looks like now.Reckoning isnt going anywhere they wont last much longer or go any farther.
Hopefully this post will spark some changes and maybe this Merge will happen and Vox can actually see some progression for once...... Lets Hope for the best sorry it had to be this way, the plan would have worked if people didnt pussy out
BTW incase you guys delete this post before anyone can read ill hit up EQ2players vox forums so it can atleat last long enough for people to see and know the truth.
This server has potential, lets lose the helmets and atleast see VP
Joined: Feb 16, 2006 Posts: 2184 Location: New Orleans
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:08 am Post subject:
So, just so i understand, you and jason decided to once again take something that many people have spent countless hours working to improve, and form it into your "next big thing" because you weren't content with the progression. How many guilds have the two of you cycled your way through over the last 2 years? Anyone foolish enough to follow you would deserve the inevitable fate of you guys jumping ship for the next big thing as soon as progression slowed,
Some of these guys may be "helmets," but they're loyal players that Reckoning has been able to count on, which is a fuck ton more than people can say about you guys. Sure, you make almost every raid, while you undermine the leadership and try and persuade the better members to jump ship with you and form your elusive "superguild" that has failed in your previous attempts. The Chosen anyone? I really don't have to say any more then that. _________________
If you love me, cross your heart and hope that i won't die before the best day of my life.
FYI you arent stating anything that I didnt say in my post Vage. You are just a douchebag about it. I DID consider it and yes one of the considerations were IF certain people went. And before EITHER of them said yes OR no or even KNEW about it, I had already decided I didn't WANT to do this. As I have told Shook, and as Grom stated, Im not falling for another power guild that has been made over and over and over....
Sure it sounds good on paper but reality is...you guys have been nonstop trying and failing to do this because you Vage and some others you associate with are shady, sneaky, stealing pricks. Point made? Have fun scrapping up the same people over and over. Now go away....to a server where people actually like you. Which isnt Vox.
he's right grom maybe i do need a helmet i voted to let that prick back in the guild.but after his well laid plans went to shit i bet ccm called him in to make a new mold.they will prolly charge more for the extra long chin strap so you guys better sell more plat.as of now they have fucked so many guilds over and so many people,they can do what they do best play with them selves.
Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 321 Location: Tempe, AZ
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject:
wow, vage, rrawyx STFU.... Thanks for playing! Sorry our enjoying the game in our guild wasn't good enough and trying out raid content wasn't enough for you. Obviously we do like this "family guild" that you speak of, maybe we actually enjoy the people we play with, hell maybe we've even grown to like some of the ones that use to get on our nerves. All in all we do need to improve to do upper content, that's part of it, growing strong and advancing, gear helps but it's a players ability, and the more experienced they become the better they should become. But I know this for a fact we don't need a thorn in our side poking us all the way up. Loot is nice, but enjoying the game is more important to me, being top dog is nice and can't always be the case. I didn't have a problem with you, vage I always thought was a little arrogant, but after getting multiple phone calls from many guild members, dude you're a prick... good luck with that super guild. _________________
The word " Helmet" should never come from Vages mouth imo. He should never type it, write it down or think it. His greatest ambition is to sit in the parking lot of Denny's at 4am with Rrawyx pointing and laughing as people go inside. He does, however have hollywood video to fall back on.. minimum wage at age 35 ftw? /winner?
Joined: Mar 04, 2006 Posts: 1036 Location: New York
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject:
Sometimes it frustrates me that there aren't enough hard core players (that will get along) on vox to progress faster and lots of times there are things that happen to placate people who may not be willing to accept the type of pressure it takes to rapidly push into the more difficult content.
In my OPINION the guild is clearly on the way to entering VP within the next few weeks. We simply need to get certain people venril flagged or recruit more people and get them flagged for those spots. (hell, we have only killed venril twice). Monday was supposed to be getting toons flagged and Tuesday was supposed to be leviathan... but monday turn into me being an emotional wreck over being betrayed and feeling like none of you who knew about the plot were willing to publicity address this bullshit.
This guy bitching about not being in VP then stabbing me in the back when its the same thing I've been yelling at the guild over is very disgusting. Its funny that someone can betray us solely over progression when we downed every single target we went to to in the last 3 weeks. (Except skin and vial farming obviously). The claim that this is for progression alone is bullshit. Its self serving.
This guild is not, nor has it ever been, based on lies or false promises. People will step up to do what need to be done. For all the bitching and finger pointing that goes on here, worries about me leaving, or anyone trying to sabotage us.... the members of this guild should know by now that the only one who can destroy this guild is YOU.... It just sucks when one of US actually tries to chase the same pipe dream that fails over and over again on this server. Its always created though shady means and without honor.
Damage has been done and we lost a good swash who would have been able to help the guild progress. Nothing more, nothing less. What the guild does with it is up to us. This is something I failed to realize myself. Being hurt over and over by people who clearly did not ever give a fuck about anything but them self for 2 years tends to drive one a little crazy.
This guild has, and always will have problems... but you know what? Thats life.
There is a difference between having an opinion/agenda you want to use to improve a guild and undermining it to destroy it and create your own. I'm just thankful that most of you are smart enough to understand that.
Rrawyx and vanero; yes it is a game,
but as people you are both disgusting individuals.
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